Can a Spear Be Used With Dexterity? Dnd 5e
OP  | To become this out of the way, I completely realise that making spears a potential finesse weapon would be a deviation from D&D 5e, just I think where it is necessary, makes logical sense or adds interesting possibilities for players and roleplaying, information technology is a adept thing to diverge from the foundational ruleset. In my stance, spears should have the Finesse property, pregnant that they can be used with Dex instead of Str. For once it makes sense logically. Normal spears, especially if wielded with two easily, are low-cal, pretty versatile and very fast weapons, making them much more fitting for being Dex based than some others of the finesse weapons (especially Scimitars). More importantly though, information technology would give interesting new means for creating and roleplaying characters. Many spear users in fantasy tin can be classified equally Dex based (Oberyn Martel being probably the near prominent) and it would be cool to be able to play similiar characters. Dex based fighters, rogues and especially rangers would get an interesting and thematically fitting weapon choice, without any existent downside or game breaking event. The only negative aspect to this I could see, is that it could be a flake weird seeing a rogue sneaking through buildings with a spear, although something similiar could be said near sneaking in total medium armor with a big longbow on the back. What are your opinions on this? |
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| | The trouble with the spear being Finesse in 5e is that since it has the "thrown" holding, it basically turns the spear into a version of the shortbow that is versatile, and can hitting in melee. Now, for some reason, Larian seems to have removed "thrown" from all (most?) of the weapons you notice, despite adding a throw action. Which is weird. I'thousand hoping they will revert this determination, but if they didn't, I see no reason not to accept the spear be a finesse weapon right this moment. Edit: Spears are non versatile in BG3 either? Wth Larian? Last edited by Myrnodyn; 12/10/20 03:29 PM. |
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| | Yes spears need to be versatile. As for them making finesse, and thrown they would not be the aforementioned as shortbows. More similar a variant of javelin. Which I've yet to find in game, perchance afterwards they'll exist added until then I shall cry. Adding the finessse modifier would be fine in my opinion, merely because spears tin be used either through edgeless force awarding or more dexteriously. Then again by that then could most weapons, well except those that are 2h like greatswords, greatclubs, bully axes, battle axes, equally well as edgeless force weapons such as maces, hammers. Axes and hammers are not finesse weapons but more brute force. |
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| OP | The problem with the spear being Finesse in 5e is that since it has the "thrown" property, it basically turns the spear into a version of the shortbow that is versatile, and can striking in melee. That'southward a valid counterargument, although to exist fair it wouldn't exist quite like a shortbow because of class y'all tin only throw equally many spears as you have in your inventory, which wouldn't exist too many unless you lot really want to cheese it. So far, sadly, the spear has none of those properties, so I approximate we volition have to wait whether Larian has planned anything for it. In general an interesting way to incorporate both versatile and finesse could be to allow players to use spears as a finesse weapon, merely only if wielded with two hands. Once you use information technology one handed, you would have to use it with Strength. |
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| | I would house rule Spear into a finesse weapon too. one. Why is Rapier the only d8 finesse weapon? ii. Nosotros need a two handed finesse weapon. Spear is the all-time candidate. Make it require Martial proficiency if information technology's "op" otherwise. 3. Who uses a Spear ever? 4. A High Elf Eldritch Knight with high dex who could throw the Spear and phone call information technology back would be really cool. Last edited by 1varangian; thirteen/10/20 01:35 PM. |
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| | D&D gainsay rules are not realistic. They simply aren't, and it has been a characteristic of the game since the very get-go. Weapons do not act similar they should. There is the much-disregarded sling (should be superior to a shortbow), Armour Course is clumsy and armour protection versus different weapons has simply been tried back in 1e with that awful chart that virtually people I knew ignored. HP are awkward when yous showtime analysing how damage is taken and resisted. Then on and then forth. The point is that D&D itself does not offer a realistic simulation of combat, and Larian have largely used the D&D5 rules to create the game. Yeah, spears ought to exist better, but so should bows. Swords should not be able to cut through steel plate, enemies ought to surrender or fall crippled long before decease, wearing 'studded leather' should exist restricted to specialist developed clubs, etc etc. However, in D&D, they are what they are. You either abide by D&D rules with all their peculiarities and faults, or you throw out the D&D aspect and make merely some other FRPG. |
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| | I would firm dominion Spear into a finesse weapon too. 4. A High Elf Eldritch Knight with high dex who could throw the Spear and call it back would be really cool. A Warlock Pact of the Bract could also, and it does look pretty absurd. Also there is really no mechanical reward since light crossbows are 1d8. Necromancy is just recycling... |
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| | I would house rule Spear into a finesse weapon too. 1. Why is Rapier the only d8 finesse weapon? two. We need a ii handed finesse weapon. Spear is the all-time candidate. Make it require Martial proficiency if it'south "op" otherwise. iii. Who uses a Spear ever? iv. A High Elf Eldritch Knight with high dex who could throw the Spear and call it back would exist really cool. A two handed finesse weapon lol. You know what finesse means? Just every bit a reminder, finesse allows you to employ dexterity instead of forcefulness for harm on weapons which are very light. Get find a two handed weapon as light as a dagger or a rapier. Good luck with that. The rapier is the only d8 damage weapon because information technology is the biggest of the finesse weapons. Have you ever thrown a spear in your life? If you lot did, y'all must know forcefulness is more involved than dexterity in the process. |
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| OP | But equally a reminder, finesse allows you lot to use dexterity instead of strength for impairment on weapons which are very light. Become find a two handed weapon as light as a dagger or a rapier. Good luck with that. Fifty-fifty according to D&D rules, spears (3lb) have exactly the same weight as a Scimitar (a finesse weapon) and are simply ane lb heavier than a rapier, and you have to keep in mind the last two are wielded with simply one paw, significant that a spear wielded with two hands would feel even faster and lighter overall. If we are arguing from a point of accurateness then it is obvious that the spear should be a finesse weapon. Of class you need strength to be constructive with a spear, just every bit you lot need strength to exist constructive with a proper rapier or a scimitar in real life, and going back to the one handed versus two handed argument you tin can debate that it would demand more strength to effectively wield a scimitar/rapier than a spear. What finesse represents in my view is whether a weapon is fast enough, that with enough skill, reflexes and agility you lot can more effectively apply enemy weak points, thus making it more of import than raw strength alone and spears definitely fit that bill. |
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| | It'due south a slippery slope. If a spear is Finesse (for the reasons you give, which I will not disagree with), then the estoc should also be Finesse. Which means that the greatsword (used properly, not just swung at someone'due south head) would authorize, as well as numerous spike-topped polearms, notably the pollaxe and halberd. I don't disagree that the spear is poorly represented, simply a line has been fatigued by WoTC who adult the rules being used in this game. In a PnP game you lot tin houserule to reflect your opinions and/or inquiry, merely in a CRPG the developers don't really accept the selection of variants for each play style. |
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| | I would house dominion Spear into a finesse weapon as well. one. Why is Rapier the just d8 finesse weapon? A ii handed finesse weapon lol. Y'all know what finesse means? Merely equally a reminder, finesse allows you to use dexterity instead of forcefulness for damage on weapons which are very calorie-free. Go discover a 2 handed weapon every bit light as a dagger or a rapier. Good luck with that. The rapier is the just d8 damage weapon because it is the biggest of the finesse weapons. A rapier isnt really a particularly calorie-free weapon, information technology has a very like weight to a longsword, just has a unlike weight distribution making it more than nimble. Simply then DnD has to worry nearly stuff like form balance while history does not. And so yes its really quite easy to discover examples of rapiers of the same weight every bit longswords just looking at actual history. |
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| | That's a valid counterargument, although to be fair it wouldn't be quite like a shortbow because of course you can merely throw as many spears every bit y'all accept in your inventory, which wouldn't be too many unless you really want to cheese it. Not actually, if that were the case, you would have to conduct ARROWS for your shortbow because of form you tin can only shoot equally many ARROWS as you have in your inventory. |
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